Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: Tupac Shakur - Some Things Will Never Change -
"Some people say I was a thug and a gangsta. Other people remember me as a poet and a born leader. But I'm saying to you measure a man by his actions fully, through his whole life, from the beginning to the end."
This thread is to discuss the life & times of hip-hop's most prolific artist; Tupac Shakur. This thread is covers the life, music, movies, poetry, and all other countless Tupac endeavors. Feel free to post rare Tupac interviews, songs, famous pictures, quotes, and / or anything related to Shakur. There is so much Tupac info to be listed, but I will try not to clog the title page with too much information.
Discography: 1991-2006 Studio:
2Pacalypse Now: Nov. 1991 - Gold
Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.: Feb. 1993 - Platinum
Me Against The World: March 1995 - 2x Platinum
All Eyez On Me: Feb. 1996 - 10x Platinum
Don Killuminati (The 7 Day Theory): Nov. 1996 - 5x Platinum
"The same crime element that white people are scared of black people are scared of. While they waiting for legislation to pass, we next door to the killer. All them killers they let out, they're in that building. Just because we black, we get along with the killers? What is that? We need protection too."
Posthumous Releases
R U Still Down? (Remember Me): Nov. 1997 - 4x Platinum
Until The End Of Time: March 2001 - 5x Platinum
Better Dayz: Nov. 2002 - 5x Platinum
Loyal To The Game: Nov. 2004 - Platinum
Pac's Life: Nov. 2006 - Gold
Another Tupac album is scheduled to be released in 2009-2010 featuring 13 unreleased tracks.
"It's not like I idolize this one guy Machiavelli. I idolize that type of thinking where you do whatever's gonna make you achieve your goal." Compilations / Collaborations:
Thug Life: Volume 1 - Sept. 1994 Gold
Greatest Hist: Nov. 1998 - 10x Platinum
Tupac & The Outlawz / Still I Rise: Dec. 1999 - Platinum
The Rose That Grew From Concrete: Oct. 2000
Nu Mixx Klazzics: Oct. 2003 - Gold
Resurrection Soundtrack: Nov. 2003 - Platinum
2Pac Live: Aug. 2004
The Rose, Volume 2: Oct. 2005
Live At The House Of Blues: Oct. 2005
Tupac Beginnings, The Lost Tapes (1988-1991): June 2007
Nu Mixx Klazzics, Volume 2: Aug. 2007
Best Of 2Pac (Thug & Life): Dec. 2007
"You grow, we all grow, we're made to grow. You either evolve or disappear."
Shakur is considered to be the best selling rap artist in history, with his sales accumulating to over 80 million.
Tupac's Movie Thread Filmography + Gross Revenue
Juice: Jan. 1992 - $20,146,880
Poetic Justice: July 1993 - $27,515,786
Above The Rim: March 1994 - $6,500,000+
Bullet: Oct. 1996 - ???
Gridlock'd: Jan. 1997 - $5,000,00+
Gang Related: Oct. 1997 - $5,906,773
Tupac Resurrection: July 2003 - $7,700,00+
Live 2 Tell: TBA - ???
"All good n*ggas, all the n*ggas who change the world, die in violence. They don't die in regular ways."
Hellrazor1978 reviews the 1995 Tupac LP; Me Against The World
Tupac Shakur had somewhat of a different career then most of the other great MC's. Unlike Nas, Rakim, Biggie, Ice Cube, or Snoop, he didnt drop a debut album that was universally hailed as classic, but instead he improved slowly from album to album, which culminated in the subject of today, Me Against The World. This album is a masterpiece in every sense of the word and easily one of the greatest albums ever recorded in hip hop history, possibly even THE greatest, but I will explain why momentarily. First, i would like to discuss the circumstances and reasons behind the albums creation. Controversy followed Pac throughout his turbulent career, but it reached its peak in late 1994 when he was accused by a young woman of raping her. In addition, he was shot 5 times outside of a recording studio during a robbery gone wrong. This shooting would eventually lead to the famous east/west feud that the media would publicize heavily. Although he beat the main charges in the expensive case, he was found guilty of several lesser charges and would have to serve time. It was during this time he was recording Me Against the World, and the album is a product of the struggle he was going through at this time.
Me Against the World is probably the most powerful hip hop album ever to hit store shelves. It is very well known for packing incredible depth and emotion on every track, while addressing a variety of topics. The album is very personal but it also speaks to his peers much like his first two albums did. The big difference between this album though and previous ones, this one has STELLAR production to back it. The extremly dark and soulful beats perfectly compliment the somber mood of much of the lyrics, and every beat on here is top notch. Also, this album followed a theme moreso then his others: Paranoia, struggle and death. All these factors culminated in him making his first classic album. Its almost a story, from the intro to OutLaw. By now, Pac was known for putting amazing emotion into his tracks but here it is felt more then ever, even publications that generally were not in favor of rap gave this album rave reviews. Even though Pac didnt come out with a classic in his first album like many of the other greats, this album makes up for it and then some, as it launched him from being a good rapper that made some great songs, into elite status. This album was the perfect bridge to the other two eras of his music: the young political rapper and the angry thugged out rapper we would see on Death Row records. However, the album isnt just great for its emotion, consistency and production, it also is home to some of the best songs in hip hop history: Dear Mama, So Many Tears, If I Die 2Nite, and Death Around The Corner, among others. Here is the track by track analysis:
Intro: Though only a little over a minute long, this is the foundation for the albums concept and why it was created. Its a bunch of news reporters talking about his shooting, the controversy, and the negative light he was being portrayed in. It truly was him against the world during this time.
If I Die 2Nite: The album jumps immediatly into this track which is one of the main themes seen here: death. Pac said at times after the shooting he comtemplated suicide, and in this song it shows clearly he felt there was no hope for him. The beat is very dark, produced by Easy Mo Bee. "I see cemetary photos of my peers conversating like the still here, if i die tonight". "Never die ill live eternal/who shall I fear/ dont shed a tear for me n!gga I aint happy here/I hope they bury me and send me to my rest/headlines reading Murderd to death"..... Pac was a prophet.
Me Against the World: Another very dark beat, but this song is a bit more inspirational and less morbid then If I Die 2Nite. Pac drops two of his most deep verses ever, and the second of them in particular is one of his best ever, so many quotable lines its crazy. Dramacydal, who would be later known as The Outlawz, are featured on this track, one of the few guest appearances on the album. They hold their own and their verses fit the theme of the song. But its clearly Pac who shines here the most. This song wasnt a single but its considered one of his best tracks and it even made the Greatest Hits album.
So Many Tears: "Back in elementary I thrived on misery, left me alone i grew up amongst a dying breed/Couldnt find a place to rest, until i got that Thug Life tatted on my chest" I dont even know where to begin on this song. Simply one of the greatest tracks not only recorded in rap, but in the HISTORY OF MUSIC itself. The beat samples a Stevie Wonder track, and is very dark. But its the lyrics that are unbelievable. I dont think there has ever been a song that goes as deep into the mind of a man who truly was on the edge and ready to fall over as this one does. If you are suicidal, I dont advise playing this song, cause it just may push you over the edge, it is THAT deep. There are a ton of quotables, but my fave is probably the following: "And though my soul was deleted, I couldnt see it/I had my mind full of demons trying to break free, they planted seeds and they hatched sparking the flame inside my brain like match/No memories just a misery, painting a picture of enemies killin me in my sleep/Will I survive till the morning to see the sun/Please Lord forgive me for my sins cause hear I come"
Temptations: This is the closest to a club song we get on this album, but the production is still very dark like the most of the album. This one is about the pressures of staying faithful being a star and out on the road with the temptation to get with female fans. Almost kind of like a prequel to All About U, but this song is much better cause the context of it doesnt promote the lifestyle as in the AEOM track. For awhile this wasnt one of my fave songs on the album but ive grown to really like it.
Young N!iggaz: A track for the young kids out on the streets gettin' into trouble. I personally relate to this song alot cause I have a little brother that gets into alot of trouble. I feel like Pac is talking to him and his peers through this track. Kind of a prelude to "Shorty's Gonna Be a Thug", but Pac's writing on this one is more focused. Good fast pace beat, and the chorus is extremely catchy "always g'd up from head to toe, got it goin' like Al Capone, hes the downest G I evvveeer knnneewwww". Great song, which showed how much Pac's writing was really elevated during the making of this album.
Heavy In the Game: Awesome Bay area style beat! This song talks about the in's and outs of the drug game and the mayhem it has on those who live it. Richie Rich guests here and drops a nice verse. Double R has a more smooth and easy going flow to compliment Pac's more rugged style. They've done many collabs together, but this is one of the better ones. Of the three verses, Pac's second verse is the best overall cause it breaks down negatives of the drug game perfectly. And that beat....truly the definition of a classic west coast beat, this song might have been well at home on AEOM even.
Lord Knows: CRIMINALLY underrated. Whenever I hear people talking about Pac's greatest songs, I rarely hear this one mentioned. But dont be fooled by that, this track is a gem in every way, right up there with So Many Tears even. Beautiful beat, love the synths. But as great as the production is, its the lyrics that truly shine. Pac speaks of the struggles of living in the ghetto and seeing so much violence: "Done lost to many n!ggaz to this gang bangin, homie died in my arms with his brains hangin'/Fuked up I had tell him it was alright, and thats lie and he knew it when he shook and died, my god". "Im gettin lost in the weed mayyne, gettin high liviin everyday like im gonna die/I smoke a blunt to take the pain, if wasnt high prolly try to blow my brains out lord knows" are just a few of the lines that reflect the paranoia and hopelessness Pac was feeling at the time of this album.
Dear Mama: This was the biggest hit on the album, and one of the greatest songs recorded in rap music. Probably the most popular mothers day anthem of all time. If you love your mama, you love this song, period. Another woman positive song that became a standout in his catalog. Not really much else to say about this one, it speaks for itself. The production isnt as dark as some of the other tracks and has more of a melodramatic feel then a dark one.
It Aint Easy: Like Dear Mama, this song has somewhat lighter production. Nice little synth and keyboard beat with some strings added in. Pac' looks back at his childhood as a young boy growing up poor in the projects, and looking ahead at his possible prison sentence. "It Aint easy being me, will I see the penitentiary or will I stay free". This is easily one of the most introspective songs on the album. "Just a project kid without a conscience/Im having dreams of hearing screams at my concerts/Me and all my childhood peers through trying to stack a lil green"....just a nice song to chill to and reminisce on old times.
Can U Get Away: A track where Pac (sort of) tells a story about an woman in an abusive relationship and how he wants to save her. Although the meaning of the song is great, Im not too crazy about the way Pac flows on this song, it seems a bit lacksidasical, but its well written. The production is good but not fantastic like the other songs. Overall this is a good song that could have been a bit better. Its many peoples least fave song on the album, and I tend to agree. But its still good, not a filler cut as some people say. If Pac rapped with just a little more gusto and the beat was just a bit tighter, this song would have been perfect.
Old School: So crazy that in this song Pac is giving LL props, then just a year later he would be dissing him. This song catches Pac in happier times and shows his true love for hip hop and the greats who came before him. Everyone from Rakim, Slick Rick to LL to De La is shouted out. I love this song cause I relate to in the fact I do the same thing by shouting out the artists I grew up on, ironically Pac himself being one of them. "Forget the TV, id rather hit the streets and do graffiti, careful dont let the transit cops see me!" Another great song to reminisce to. The production is great too, love the horns in the background and the voice sample on the chorus.
Fuk the World: It is perhaps this song which best describes how Pac felt when making this album: FUK THE WORLD!! Truly all the pressure at this point was bearing down on him harder then ever and this song is a product of that. A perfect song to listen to when you feel all of lifes pressures are getting to heavy and u just want to explode. Ive always wondered how many times the word "fu.ck" is used in this song, possibly the most ever in a rap song. This is almost a prelude to the angry songs he would spit on his Death Row work, though it doesnt diss anyone. But you can certainlly hear Pac's anger in his voice and the lyrics arent as uplifting as some of the songs on the album. I can listen to this song when im pissed off and feel better afterward, Pac was venting on this one and it helps me vent too when I need to.
Death Around the Corner: Simply put, one of my 5 fave songs on the album, along with If I Die 2Nite, So Many Tears, Dear Mama, and Lord Knows. This beat uses a very similiar melody to the later "Picture Me Rollin", but I like this one more cause its darker. Its very similiar to If I Die 2Nite" in that Pac paints pictures of his own death and his paranoia surrounding it. "Murder me now but see me later man"--so prophetic are those words, its scary really. Love the "Untouchables" sample at the end of the track too.
OutLaw: Very smooth song to close out the album. Love the strings over the synth driven beat. This song sorta has a different feel the the other ones on the album, cause while most of the album shows a man trying to find a better way for himself, this one promotes the thug life like on his Death Row albums, though to a lesser extent. Dramacydal is featured on this track. A solid song to close out the album, though "Only Fear of Death" might have been more fitting.
And there you have it, Me Against the World, Pac's first classic album. If there is any album that exemplifies why Pac is still so revered today, its this one. He took his songwriting to a whole new level, got better beats and just in general was much more focused on this album then he ever was before. This is a perfect album, there are no true or clear flaws to it. Beats, lyrics/content, album theme, consistency, are all A+ across the board. For those who think All Eyez on Me is his best work, you better listen to this album again, and listen to it closely. 1995 was a special time for hip hop, many great albums came out. But this one stands out above all of them. Me Against the World is artistry at its best, and on a final note, its probably the greatest hip hop album of all time, every bit as legendary as its creator. Pretty much every song is a jewel. Also, it was his first album to reach #1 on the charts, and it would eventually be certified triple platinum.
Earliest Tupac Recordings Surface In Upcoming Album
Quote:
Thirteen years after his death, Tupac Shakur’s first Hip-Hop recordings will now become available through a forthcoming album entitled Shakurspeare. The project is the brainchild of Darrin Keith Bastfield, CEO of Born Busy Records. Bastfield was one of Shakur’s early collaborators, and the two formed a group together called Born Busy when a 16-year old Tupac first began to rap. For long-time fans, the album will offer the first glimpses of Tupac’s Hip-Hop journey, back when he was known by his first rap name of MC New York. "I was there when Tupac heard himself for the first time rapping on a recording. As he sat in the cafeteria of the Baltimore School for the Arts it was as if he
couldn’t believe that he was listening to himself,” Bastfield told AllHipHop.com. “Just as Tupac was quietly amazed by
hearing himself, I want people to hear Tupac as a young artist in his very first recordings ever having fun, rapping about issues that concerned us, and most importantly giving a cautionary and timely ‘Message of Peace’ in his own voice as if he was already a big rap star with a reputation to uphold.” The title Shakurspeare is an allusion to a conversation between Bastfield and a 17 year-old Shakur, where the aspiring emcee revealed that he dreamed of
becoming as renowned Shakespearean actor. The LP cover will illuminate this motif by having a Bastfield oil painting
depicting Shakur as Shakespeare. "This project was a very spiritual undertaking for me, but most importantly it is about creating art and being educational. The vocals to the songs we wrote were all recorded accapella in 1988 on a cassette tape,” Bastfield explained. “Through technology the vocals were able be extracted, digitally mastered, and put to contemporary music that was produced in 2008. I wanted to keep the recordings as close to the vein of our ideas from back in the day. As far as new material to assist with the concept of the album as being like an audio documentary, I chose to work with producers and artists in my own backyard which are native of Baltimore, Maryland which includes International Jazz recording artist Maysa. My life and times with Tupac Shakur all happened in Baltimore, so I wanted the spirit of the Shakurspeare album, just as the book, to stay consistent.”
The new album will mark Bastifield’s second Tupac Shakur project. In 2002, he released the book Back in the Day: My Life and Times with Tupac Shakur through One World/Ballantine. At press time, Shakurspeare will be released digitally on September 13 through Born Busy Records.
An unreleased Tupac Shakur diss song called "War Gamez" has landed online and features the late emcee calling out Jay-Z, Dr. Dre, Nas, Mobb Deep and more.
Heard a capella, the track also features Pac's rap group, The Outlawz.
"N*ggas playing deadly motherf*cking war games," Pac says in the intro. "How many broke down rappers got some sh*t to say...I bust on Bad Boy, Mobb Deep and murder The Firm/When you scream 'fake thugs' who the f*ck you mean/Get more C.R.E.A.M. than all of y'all/N*gga f*ck your team/Now Dre wanna switch sides/Tricks hide in war/Last year I shed tears but I don't cry no more/Plus Jay-Z tried to play me/He won't last long/Go ask King Sun how it feel to have your a** gone...Got shot five times, got outta jail on bail and sold five million. Sold more records than all you trick motherf*ckers put together. More than The Firm, more than Bad Boy, murdered Mobb Deep, more than all you b*tch made n*ggas." ("War Gamez")
Joined: Dec 21 2008 Posts: 1747 Feedback: 9 Location: South Florida
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:23 am Post subject:
Happy to be the first on the page i am a die fan of pac i wasnt old enough to hear his music when he was alive but my older brother was the one who always had pac in my ears and i personally think pac was a ghetto prophet taken away very early. I am a big fan in a couple weeks getting one of his quotes that i live by everyday tattoed and i will be on this theard 24/7. RIP Tupac Amaru Shakur.
* The Quote.You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks,
even months over-analyzing a situation;
trying to put the pieces together, justifying what
could've, should've, would've, happened. Or you can just
leave the pieces on the floor and move the fcuk on
As you can see avy is Pac and sig i have another good qoute by tupac.
Great theard!!!! _________________ Marketplace Listings Size's 8-12 Im eating all the rest no offence,
sorry if your offended,
riding high like Im on 54 inches,
man Id rather chill with 54 bitches R U STILL DOWN?
Happy to be the first on the page i am a die fan of pac i wasnt old enough to hear his music when he was alive but my older brother was the one who always had pac in my ears and i personally think pac was a ghetto prophet taken away very early. I am a big fan in a couple weeks getting one of his quotes that i live by everyday and i will be on this theard 24/7. RIP Tupac Amuru Shakur.
* The Quote.You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks,
even months over-analyzing a situation;
trying to put the pieces together, justifying what
could've, should've, would've, happened. Or you can just
leave the pieces on the floor and move the fcuk on
As you can see avy is Pac and sig i have another good qoute by tupac.
Great theard!!!!
Thanks for the props
Hopefully this thread will kick, because from what I see most people on this site were either too young to listen to Pac, or have a love / hate opinion for him. _________________ FREE DOWNLOAD: 2009 Grammy Family LP
Joined: Dec 21 2008 Posts: 1747 Feedback: 9 Location: South Florida
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:34 am Post subject:
^Your very right. I am only 16 but if you ask me anything about 'Pac its on. lol But yeah plus lots of people love Biggie or East Coast rapper (No dissing) but Tupac was imo The Best Rapper to ever lay a track down. Dont get me wrong Biggie was a crazy with his lyrics but Pac talked about real crap that happend in those days and that still happens now.
Plus his acting was unbeatable blow me away in Juice, Poetic Justice, Gang Related and Above the Rim. _________________ Marketplace Listings Size's 8-12 Im eating all the rest no offence,
sorry if your offended,
riding high like Im on 54 inches,
man Id rather chill with 54 bitches R U STILL DOWN?
Joined: Dec 21 2008 Posts: 1747 Feedback: 9 Location: South Florida
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:13 am Post subject:
So far its a Great Theard!!!
Tupac's "Enemy's" or "Rivals"
Biggie Smalls
Mobb Deep
Junior Mafia
Nas
Jay-Z
Believe it or not Eminem
Chino XL
Bad Boy's Records/ Puff Daddy A.k.a P.Diddy
Lil Kim
Dr.Dre
Wendy Williams - Was the girl who said Pac got rapped in jail
LL Cool J
Dan Quayle - Was Vice President and Said 2paclypse was not good for society
The Fugees
C Delores Tucker - African American Activist that said pac's music was Pornographic and violent. _________________ Marketplace Listings Size's 8-12 Im eating all the rest no offence,
sorry if your offended,
riding high like Im on 54 inches,
man Id rather chill with 54 bitches R U STILL DOWN?
_________________ Marketplace Listings Size's 8-12 Im eating all the rest no offence,
sorry if your offended,
riding high like Im on 54 inches,
man Id rather chill with 54 bitches R U STILL DOWN?
_________________ Marketplace Listings Size's 8-12 Im eating all the rest no offence,
sorry if your offended,
riding high like Im on 54 inches,
man Id rather chill with 54 bitches R U STILL DOWN?
Joined: Dec 21 2008 Posts: 1747 Feedback: 9 Location: South Florida
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:11 am Post subject:
^ Yeah i was like oohh shit he said that? But it just goes to show Biggie was following Pacs steps in some ways. _________________ Marketplace Listings Size's 8-12 Im eating all the rest no offence,
sorry if your offended,
riding high like Im on 54 inches,
man Id rather chill with 54 bitches R U STILL DOWN?
All times are GMT - 5 Hours (Eastern) Go to page : 1, 2, 3 ... 111, 112, 113Next
Page 1 of 113
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum